Comments on: Python’s Moratorium — Let’s think about this. http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/ python, programming and other things Sun, 04 Mar 2012 06:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: jnoller http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-139134 jnoller Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:45:46 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-139134 Then you're both wrong. Then you’re both wrong.

]]> By: davidlegg http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-139133 davidlegg Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:33:57 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-139133 Somebody sent me this link in an email with the title: 'Python is dead?'<br><br>However, I think 'Python is a mess' would be more accurate :( Somebody sent me this link in an email with the title: ‘Python is dead?’

However, I think ‘Python is a mess’ would be more accurate :(

]]> By: jnoller http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-132633 jnoller Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:45:46 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-132633 Then you're both wrong. Then you’re both wrong.

]]> By: davidlegg http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-132632 davidlegg Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:33:57 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-132632 Somebody sent me this link in an email with the title: 'Python is dead?'<br><br>However, I think 'Python is a mess' would be more accurate :( Somebody sent me this link in an email with the title: ‘Python is dead?’

However, I think ‘Python is a mess’ would be more accurate :(

]]> By: andreyfedorov http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-132358 andreyfedorov Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:16:26 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-132358 Hah, "mostly right" mostly because I have an ego to protect, but also because of the importance-of-syntax sentiment.<br><br>There's definitely more to a language than syntax and standard libraries: there are the metaphors which one uses to structure programs. In Python's case, generators are the most apparent metaphor not common to other languages. Yes, there exists an associated 'def...yield' syntax, but the syntax isn't what's important, the way one uses them to express problems is. Hah, “mostly right” mostly because I have an ego to protect, but also because of the importance-of-syntax sentiment.

There’s definitely more to a language than syntax and standard libraries: there are the metaphors which one uses to structure programs. In Python’s case, generators are the most apparent metaphor not common to other languages. Yes, there exists an associated ‘def…yield’ syntax, but the syntax isn’t what’s important, the way one uses them to express problems is.

]]> By: jnoller http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-131901 jnoller Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:50:39 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-131901 I know! We're buds :)<br><br>Really, doing some web dev recently has made me see things in a bit of<br>a different light, figured I'd mention the IE6 thing. The funny thing<br>is, after I made the post, a friend told me that the rapidity of the<br>changes going into Python was one of the reasons he had been nervous<br>about it. I know! We’re buds :)

Really, doing some web dev recently has made me see things in a bit of
a different light, figured I’d mention the IE6 thing. The funny thing
is, after I made the post, a friend told me that the rapidity of the
changes going into Python was one of the reasons he had been nervous
about it.

]]> By: David Beazley http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-131900 David Beazley Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:37:03 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-131900 Oh, I wasn't criticizing.... merely confirming what you're saying with my own experiences teaching Python in the corporate world. Oh, I wasn’t criticizing.… merely confirming what you’re saying with my own experiences teaching Python in the corporate world.

]]> By: jnoller http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-131891 jnoller Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:19:47 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-131891 Thank you for the feedback; it's my blog though so you don't have to read it. Thank you for the feedback; it’s my blog though so you don’t have to read it.

]]> By: jnoller http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-131888 jnoller Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:17:37 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-131888 Sorry - I thought I called that out, maybe I wasn't as clear as I meant it to be. That aspect is a big one - adoption in users of new releases is pretty slow. We, as technophiles, have to take that into account, those of us who adopt things on the bleeding edge are a minority of a minority.<br><br>I think longer-time web developers understand this - people need to remember most web developer are still trapped with dealing with, and supporting Internet Explorer 6 - an ancient, crappy, no web standardy browser because many users are "just happy to get to the internets" or simply can't upgrade. Sorry — I thought I called that out, maybe I wasn’t as clear as I meant it to be. That aspect is a big one — adoption in users of new releases is pretty slow. We, as technophiles, have to take that into account, those of us who adopt things on the bleeding edge are a minority of a minority.

I think longer-time web developers understand this — people need to remember most web developer are still trapped with dealing with, and supporting Internet Explorer 6 — an ancient, crappy, no web standardy browser because many users are “just happy to get to the internets” or simply can’t upgrade.

]]> By: jnoller http://jessenoller.com/2009/12/04/pythons-moratorium-lets-think-about-this/comment-page-1/#comment-131884 jnoller Sat, 05 Dec 2009 12:13:53 +0000 http://jessenoller.com/?p=729#comment-131884 The GIL will eventually evolve, or die. Just not from the past - Guido has a time machine, it's not THAT good. The GIL will eventually evolve, or die. Just not from the past — Guido has a time machine, it’s not THAT good.

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